he joins us now. good to have you back. >> good to be with you. >> the granddaddy of penalties in your view, right? >> exactly. barclays this summer backed the highest settlement this summer. attorney general holder spoke a few minutes about that the $500 million from department of justice, this is $1.2 billion settlement with ubs. all too often, carl, we've talked about before that there have been puny penalties for financial firms. this amount, this in aggregate $1.5 billion from all regulators, including the swiss and the brits, that serious and significant and will serve as a definite deterrent for the megabanks and other financial firms. >> how much pain -- i know it's a lot of money, but they do escape prosecution. no individuals held to account. i mean, there are other things that could have been done to really get their attention. >> well, you know, i wouldn't -- never say never on the individual matter, carl. that's, you know, criminal prosecution is up to the folks with jurisdiction. you hav